Harathi Hinterlands Questions?

[Bogus Dude]

I find it rather annoying that most weapons have clipping issues with my longcoat but feel no need to ***** about it as i've never played a game that didn't have the same problem. GW1 was the same, did Anet give a damn? ofcourse they did but they're hardly gonna set on extra staff to sort them, when they have free time they chip away at these minor flaws, which you see included in the update notes. To say they don't care is ridiculous when history shows they do! Priorities are priorities no matter how much that minor bug annoys you that its not fixed. I have several chars actively working on cooking but I'd rather they fixed Bells mission bug before they give a veg patch any thought. My main went through the storyline in the first week or two without any problems, when i started with another char i cam across a mission where the door wouldn't open even though i could jump over it, i frantically jumped around the door hitting F and managed to get it to work...why did it work first time through but not second? Likely a knock on effect from some other bug they fixed, it'll all come good in the end, but not overnight.

Your right Bell, you have the right to complain, and believe it or not they want you to. But to say they don't care is just brainless trolling, and no i'm not playing fanboi its just the way it is for any dev team. Anet aren't some new crew, many were part of the GW1 crew so we know what they're about and how they work, and their rep is all good, but as any scientist will tell you, perfection does not exist.

[Vayne]

Not to say you're wrong about the thing with priority, but why do you always feel the urge to say something like that whenever someone slightly criticises ANet. Isn't your stalwart defender role getting a bit old to you too?

I think it's only natural that there are bugs. But likewise it's also only natural to complain about them not being fixed quickly enough. I mean I can't continue with my storyquest (the Hatchery an Order of whispers quest (the second time I had a no progress bug in this personal storyline btw...) because the event just won't continue. That just sucks and I think it's my right to say so.

Complaining about bugs is fine. I dont' answer lots of comnplaints. I don't willy nilly defend Anet either, you just think I do because it's what you see. But I'll take down anyone that makes those generalizations about anything in any context at any time, because it was part of my training as an editor.

Complaining a door is bugged is legit. Saying a developer doesn't care isn't. It's the difference between truth and drawing a bad conclusion. Maybe I've just been part of too many writing critique groups.

[mayito7777]

Could you really be that obtuse? As Vayne said, it's priorities, their staff is only so big and it can only fix so many problems and of course they are going to fix the bigger problems first. There are bugs that prevent progress that are being worked and need to be fixed first. They can't just wave a magic wand, type a line of code, and "viola, fixed". It doesn't work like that. They have to figure out WHY it's bugged and every line of code they change often effects something else in the game. Fixing bugs may seem like it's an easy thing, but really, it's not.

Thanks for the compliment, I am obtuse by birth, born in the wrong angle. Again this problem was reported, got fixed and got busted again, how can you fix something and then break it again and when it gets reported again have passed 3 weeks without fixing it, duh it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out. They screwed up and now are taking their sweet time to fix something they fixed in the past.

"I am obtuso and I am buso, kooky and spooso, the Adams family!!!!

[Bell]

Complaining about bugs is fine. I dont' answer lots of comnplaints. I don't willy nilly defend Anet either, you just think I do because it's what you see. But I'll take down anyone that makes those generalizations about anything in any context at any time, because it was part of my training as an editor.

Complaining a door is bugged is legit. Saying a developer doesn't care isn't. It's the difference between truth and drawing a bad conclusion. Maybe I've just been part of too many writing critique groups.

Probably it was a bad example to call you out on this one. But I also think that he didn't really mean that ANet didn't care about the problems with their game, but was just angry that something didn't work and wanted to rant. Thus my pointing out that your consequent reply seemed a pointless to me. Why not just let others rant about something, without needlessly analysing the coherence or intention of someone's rant.
But nevermind. Maybe I'm also misinterpreting his post's aim.

And @ the general bug issue: I find it really appalling that so many things that have already worked get broken over and over again. I understand that MMOs are very vast undertakings, but never before have I seen a MMO constantly breaking anew on different points. At least not on this massive scale (and before you feel the urge to call that in doubt, I should disclaim that the massive might be a subjective exaggeration) it happens here. But maybe I'm just out of luck with this game. My personal story is broken for the second time already (on two different points btw.) and this second bug had apparently only appeared lately.

[Vayne]

Probably it was a bad example to call you out on this one. But I also think that he didn't really mean that ANet didn't care about the problems with their game, but was just angry that something didn't work and wanted to rant. Thus my pointing out that your consequent reply seemed a pointless to me. Why not just let others rant about something, without needlessly analysing the coherence or intention of someone's rant.
But nevermind. Maybe I'm also misinterpreting his post's aim.

And @ the general bug issue: I find it really appalling that so many things that have already worked get broken over and over again. I understand that MMOs are very vast undertakings, but never before have I seen a MMO constantly breaking anew on different points. At least not on this massive scale (and before you feel the urge to call that in doubt, I should disclaim that the massive might be a subjective exaggeration) it happens here. But maybe I'm just out of luck with this game. My personal story is broken for the second time already (on two different points btw.) and this second bug had apparently only appeared lately.

One of the consequences of being a professional writer, and editor, is that you read what's there. It's pretty much what you're trained to do. It's very very hard, if you've edited for years, to turn off your inner editor. You edit while reading books for fun, newspaper and magazine articles, and yes forums. Probably sucks for the rest of you, but there it is.

When someone says something and they're venting, even if they have the right to vent, a percentage of people are going to read it as literally what they mean. Unless it's clear that they mean something else, I do feel the need to clarify the point, because some people reading aren't posting and they'll get the wrong idea.

This is an unfortunate occupational hazard. It comes off like I'm just defending Anet when a lot of the time I'm actually trying to defend the English language.

I really don't like when people say they hate something they dislike because hate is the wrong word. I don't like when people use hyperbole to exaagerate something that in fact is much less than they're making it out to be. I've been setting the record straight all my life, on all sorts of issues, don't expect me to stop now.

Do I think Anet is perfect? Nope. Plenty of stuff they could have done better. And I too get frustrated with stuff that doesn't work right. And I express my frustration.

But, like I respond to people who's posts I don't agree with, I don't call people names, I don't overtly offend them (though I'm sure many take offense) and I don't use hyperbole or stronger language than I feel is necessary to make a point.

As I've said elsewhere, a lot of times, though I'm responding to one person's post, I'm really talking to the lurkers who might not know any different.

[mayito7777]

Let me put an example and maybe you will understand the frustration.

Lets say the toilette seat in your bathroom breaks, you go to the hardware store and get a new toilette seat. You come home and fix it. Everyone is happy, now the light in your bathroom goes out and you (wanting to do it quick) instead of going to the outside shed and get a ladder, you decide to step on top of your toilette to change the light bulb.

As result you fixed the light bulb but you broke your toilette seat again (you just heard a crack loud noise) but instead of looking and checking the toilette seat you assume that because you changed it earlier it should be fine and you dont bother to recheck the toilette seat no matter you heard a loud crack noise.

That is what A-Net is doing, if you are fixing a problem with coding make sure that, if that coding affect other aspects of the game, recheck real quick to make sure everything is OK. Right now A-Net is taking too many shortcuts.

[Zorac]

Right now A-Net is taking too many shortcuts.

How do you know? Are you dissecting the code from each patch and looking to see what it is doing? Are you sitting in on their tech support planning meetings learning their process of how they decide what to fix and when?

Unfortunately there are bugs in the game. Some show up all the time, some just don't trigger right one time but do another, some show up out of the blue when otherwise the event was working fine and gets fixed on its own when the server resets for a patch and some only show for one person but not another. And of course there is my favorite bug, which is a person stupidly claiming its a bug when they just don't know how to trigger/accomplish something, I see that one quite often people claiming an event is bugged just because they can't figure out how to do it.

Anyways the point is, unless you are working for Anet or have some inside source you can't say they are taking shortcuts in making fixes.

[Vayne]

Okay this thread has been completely derailed, so I'm saying go back on topic. If you want to discuss what we've been discussing, let's start a new thread, because it's not fair to the OP.

[mayito7777]

Like I said before and before I was brutally interrupted. feral dens is part of a quest and the other gate/door is bugged.

[StacyX]

Thanks for the compliment, I am obtuse by birth, born in the wrong angle.

I'm sorry, asking if you're obtuse was uncalled for. I just couldn't believe what I was reading, even so, I shouldn't have said that. My apologies.

I still think you're quite wrong and you make entirely too many assumptions, but time will tell.