US Presidential Election

[robinsiebler]

I worked on your age riddle then got a headache so I went back to this

You have no idea how happy that makes me! Mild amounts of brain damage are good for you!

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[Fey]

I like bananas, because they have no bones!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ZYP_x...%3DY3ZYP_xWSbI

Why am I the only person who can't embed things correctly?

It's the link you used. You need to use the direct youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ZYP_xWSbI

[bokiz333]

I have little faith in our political system. Boki and my disagreement was over the reasons some things were initially enacted and I took on the daunting task of trying to point out that he was talking about two different things.

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Fine I'll bite. There are two different things...min requirements to vote and electoral college. But the reasoning behind both can be in part GASP the same for both. If you think that rich aristrcrats were not in any way elitist and worried about the uneducated masses ability to do many things, well thats you. So yes, they considered min requirements to vote. But that doesn't preclude that same line of thinking to be a part of the rationale for an electoral college system. Again, I said in part. We can agree to disagree.

Great you have a degree. I have a mensa level IQ, a degree, speak 3 languages, a professional designation - OMG INTERNET PEEN CONTEST. Lots of people have degrees in certain subjects, doesn't mean they know everything and can't be wrong.

I was not born in this country but grew up here. ALMOST became a history major and teacher. (went with math instead) Had to take a citizenship test and learn a great deal about American history. I'm not some random uninformed guy throwing things out and seeing what sticks.


Your conclusion that I realize I had lost an argument and now am covering it up just reak of bad logic and perhaps a self serving skewed perception of reality. Not sure which or if mutualy exclusive.

Either way, lets agree that you're wrong on this one. I mean...that we disagree.

[Toc]

Fine I'll bite. There are two different things...min requirements to vote and electoral college. But the reasoning behind both can be in part GASP the same for both. If you think that rich aristrcrats were not in any way elitist and worried about the uneducated masses ability to do many things, well thats you. So yes, they considered min requirements to vote. But that doesn't preclude that same line of thinking to be a part of the rationale for an electoral college system. Again, I said in part. We can agree to disagree.

Great you have a degree. I have a mensa level IQ, a degree, speak 3 languages, a professional designation - OMG INTERNET PEEN CONTEST. Lots of people have degrees in certain subjects, doesn't mean they know everything and can't be wrong.

I was not born in this country but grew up here. ALMOST became a history major and teacher. (went with math instead) Had to take a citizenship test and learn a great deal about American history. I'm not some random uninformed guy throwing things out and seeing what sticks.


Your conclusion that I realize I had lost an argument and now am covering it up just reak of bad logic and perhaps a self serving skewed perception of reality. Not sure which or if mutualy exclusive.

Either way, lets agree that you're wrong on this one. I mean...that we disagree.

ug... You are absolutely correct, wealthy, white, land owning guys wanted only other wealthy, white, land owning guys to vote. They did not want blacks, women, non-land owning people to vote. Each state decided who could and could not vote.

The electoral college had nothing to do with this, it was there to stop high pop states (regardless of who in that state was voting) to have a say over small pop states (regardless of whom in that state was voting). Therefore making the argument for an electoral college the exact same then as it is now. If you want to argue who should/shouldn't be allowed to vote that is a different matter.

If anything, the small pop states had more rural populations that had LESS education and the more populated states had the bigger educational institutions. So the electoral college actually gave the less educated MORE voting equality...

This was accidental as it's sole purpose was to protect every STATE'S influence in federal voting... I really have no clue why people have such a hard time grasping this concept, it's really quite simple.

Moving to a popular vote right now would do nothing in determining who gets to vote only in how those votes are totaled. You would have campaigns run solely in the big markets instead of the undecided markets. That's it.... No more "swing states" just who has the biggest population gets the most attention. Exactly what the founding fathers wanted to avoid.