Wow, so A-Nets idea of damage control was to lock down the huge thread without giving people a response. So like I figured would happen it is spreading. Threads are popping up on the official forum faster than they can delete them and spreading to all the other forums.
The 1 star reviews on Amazon have doubled in number since this morning with people saying bait and switch. I hope they weren't hoping on a lot of sales for Christmas because they really shot themselves in the foot.
If Guild Wars 2 isn't successful, you're looking at another seven years of WoW clones. No one will risk anything in an MMO for ages. SWToR failed, TSW failed and if you think that Guild Wars 2 failing is good for this genre, you're sadly sadly mistaken.
Because what you wish for, you may just get it.
So the solution to making GW2 successful is to move a step closer to making it a WoW clone? How would that be any better?
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Never mind, the website lied to me. 21 new 5 used (??? wonder how used CD-keys work. Hah.)
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Phantasy Star Online 2! Get on my level!
Also: Elder Scrolls Online (hopefully) isn't WoW-clone. Just sayin. You know... cause... Yeah.
People still need to stop this shenanigans. They're so salty. This is probably the maximum salt I've seen in a long time. And I was at this:
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No, that's not the solution. Do you know how Christianity became big? They moved into areas, adapted the relgion to pick up converts and moved on.
You seriously can't believe than any company can come along, change things drastically, make no attempt to get some of the other people from other games on board, and then expect to grow. I don't think that's practical or possible.
You keep saying WoW clone, well, let me start by saying this is a completely disingenuous claim.
When the game is given a holy trinity, when content is actually gated, so that progression can only occur by following a specific path, when people don't jump into level 80 PVP out of the box, when you don't have active dodge, or a milliion skills on your 87 skill bars, you can start calling this a WoW clone.
Anet introduced a single tier of gear that was something between the really hard to get stuff and the quite easy to get stuff. It was missing. If you really think there wasn't SOMETHING needed between exotic and legendary, then I don't know what to say to you. The only issue you really have going for you is that there's a stat increase in that gear and that legendaries will be increased to match it.
This is something that SHOULD HAVE been in the game already and it wasn't. Whether it was planned or not planned, and they just didn't get it in in time, I don't know. But there are legendary weapons and there is no legendary armor. You don't need stuff to work for. I don't really either but tons of people do. Anet made a compromise. You might call it a deal with the devil, but that doesn't make it so. It was something they felt, for whatever reason, they had to do, based on data they have.
They're going to lose a lot of people because of this, but they might get a lot of people too. That's a business decision. In the mean time, it's not making this game a WoW clone, any more than adding active dodging to WoW would make it a GW 2 clone.
You don't like the changes and I get that. But WoW clone? Not even close.
Christianity became big by forcing their religion onto others, forbidding all other religions, and killing everyone who didn't agree. Do you recommend ArenaNet do the same?
You yourself brought up the word WoW clones in the post I responded to. And besides, I didn't claim that this made GW2 a WoW clone, I just said that this patch (endgame content and gear grinding) moved them a step closer to one.
Wrong. The only thing missing between Exotic and Legendary was in the amount of time invested, NOT in better stats, as there WAS no stat increase from Exotic to Legendary. This is something that ArenaNet specifically claimed would NOT (never) be in the game, and they added it anyway to please those who want gear progression at max level.
Here's the question and really the only question.
Is the biggest percentage of the player base okay with it. Not me, not you, but the biggest percentage.
Say you had a business and you said, we're never going to use any meat in our cooking. None. Zero. Then you find out there aren't enough vegetarians to support the business...what do you do?
The real question is how many people will go for that gear without stats, by percentage and how many people that don't, with nothing to work for will leave the game. To me those are the questions that need to be answered.
We keep saying Guild Wars 2 is evolutionary, not revolutionary. In order to keep people in game, something necessary for everyone, they made a compromise, based on data they have accumulated.
Did they panic and move too fast? Possibly. I can't answer that. But that's the point. I can't answer it. It's neither my company, nor my game.
At the first outcry, they made a post to explain the decision. I took this post basically at face value and maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I'm too trusting.
And maybe it's true. Maybe they won't keep adding more tiers of gear and this is something they put in to keep people interested until more content emerges.
The bottom line is you feel lied to. That's it. That doesn't make it a bad move in and of itself.
And a step closer to a WoW clone is still not adding one tier of missing gear. I see this as an adjustment to a new game, that's it, not a major change. You see it as a major change.
I simply don't see this the way you do.
At this stage, I don't think that anybody knows... not even ArenaNet. And they didn't bother to ask. So only time will tell.
I would offer 2 options: a full meal without meat, and a full meal with meat (ie make meat completely optional). I would definitely NOT make it so that you couldn't get the dessert without having a main course with meat in it, as you'd be chasing away a lot of your current customer base. You can argue that those who don't want meat can still get the entree, so meat IS optional, but would you really expect any vegetarian to be okay with that?
As it is now in GW2, you can no longer get max stat gear without repeatedly doing the same content even if you're not interested in it (ie. gear grinding).
This is how I look at this:
Repeatedly running the same dungeons for the rewards (aka gear grinding) wasn't what I cared about before the update, and it's not what I care about after the update. That hasn't changed. It's the context of this gear grinding that has changed for me:
Before the update:
There's nothing worth doing at max level if you don't care about gear grinding (but at least gear grinding doesn't give you better stats)
After the update:
There's nothing worth doing at max level if you don't care about gear grinding, but gear grinding is the only way to get max stat gear.
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They have metrics that we don't. They track what every person is doing when they log in. They know what the majority of the population spends their time doing. Asking is never necessary. But yes, only time will tell if this fixes of breaks the game.
Right the difference for me is that max stat gear means nothing to me. Really. It's a number. I don't sit and look at the stats on my gear, pretty much ever. I mean yeah I knew exotics were max stat, but that never meant I had to have them and still don't on most pieces on most characters. Nice to have is not the same thing as needing.
People do not need max stat gear to clear content in Guild Wars 2, nor do they need max stat gear to go into WvW. Obviously SPvP takes care of itself.
This is a mindset more than anything else. I don't have the mindset. And I still think the playerbase at large is too conditioned to require reward, instead of just having fun. And yes, I blame WoW clones generally for that.
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