ArenaNet: Linsey Murdock unveils High End Ascended Gear (2012-11-13)

[Vayne]

But what you're talking about is game design, not farming. If there is only one way to beat something than that is a problem with how it was designed.

Escort quests are a terrible idea because they are stupid hard to balance after the game starts to evolve. (not that they are any fun to begin with)

Even if there are optimal ways to run dungeons doesn't mean you have to do it that way, I enjoyed speed farming but I almost never do speed runs on dungeons. There were plenty of times where we would try random things like an all ranger group just to switch things up and have fun with it and we were usually successful. Now if the dungeon could only be beaten with a necro using necrotic traversal or something than that would just be poorly designed.

Right, but if something is being speed farmed then the designers pretty much have to put something in place to stop it, which does affect my game, that's what I'm saying. In the case of the Underworld it was game-breaking for me. And it wasn't really an escort quest, so much as a protect quest, but with those skeleon's of dhuum which were immune to damage mitigation it was all too hard.

At any rate, I'm not really completely disagreeing with you, but pointing out the other side of the equation. On the topic of escort quests, Guild Wars 2 is the first game that has made escort quests I really like. I guess it helps that usually you can rez the person you're escorting. lol

[bokiz333]

Anet has confirmed that botting is what kept the price of ectos artificially low. And there is a problem with it whether you see it or not.

The job of the game isn't to make the game as easy as possible for those who want it easy. If that happens, it drains players from the stuff that they want players doing. Stuff that needs teams. That's the point. Sort of what's happening with the Fractals right now. The easier you make something to profit, the less people there are to help out those actually playing the game. Which might be fine for you, but I think Anet probably wouldn't see it that way. Otherwise they could have made one room with one vet that paid out great and everyone could just kill it over and over.

The problem is players are their own worst enemy. They may say they love farming. They may say that they love getting phat lootz. But the problem is, they really don't love it. That is to say, they love the idea of it, but the actually going out and getting it needs to be fun on some level, or it all falls apart. Even then, if it's too easy to get, it might be loot, but it's no longer phat. The whole thing is for Anet to make it rare enough to mean something.

Right now, if someone gets a yellow drop they're like YES! Before it was like, cool, that's nice. But there's a balance.

Players don't always want what keeps them most interested in the game. They just think they want it.

Bro, brochacho, brostoyevski, bronamath, angelina brolie....point out in that entire post where I talked about BOTTING? I talked about FARMING. TWO. TOTALLY. DIFFERENT. CONCEPTS.

It's like you immagine I said something and then you decided to argue against this immaginary me.

[Vayne]

Bro, brochacho, brostoyevski, bronamath, angelina brolie....point out in that entire post where I talked about BOTTING? I talked about FARMING. TWO. TOTALLY. DIFFERENT. CONCEPTS.

It's like you immagine I said something and then you decided to argue against this immaginary me.

You didn't say botting. But I should point out anything that can be farmed, can also be botted. I thought that would be pretty obvious to a smart guy like you.

[bokiz333]

You didn't say botting. But I should point out anything that can be farmed, can also be botted. I thought that would be pretty obvious to a smart guy like you.

I'm definitely anti botting. I reported my fair share of them.

Heck I reported a commander in my BL because he was standing afk in there for like an hour but must have had a macro because he would randomly cast a spell in the citadel every 5 minutes or so, so he wouldnt be kicked. That was back when we had ques and he was keeping people out that would actually fight; just so when he was ready to play an hour later, he wouldnt have to wait in the que.

[Vayne]

I'm definitely anti botting. I reported my fair share of them.

Heck I reported a commander in my BL because he was standing afk in there for like an hour but must have had a macro because he would randomly cast a spell in the citadel every 5 minutes or so, so he wouldnt be kicked. That was back when we had ques and he was keeping people out that would actually fight; just so when he was ready to play an hour later, he wouldnt have to wait in the que.

Anyway, how the hell do you expect me to be coherent at 4:45 am. lol

I'm going to bed. Have a great day. lol

[mayito7777]

So no Cenatur to argue against and now you are picking on bokiz?? shame, shame shame...

Bokiz you forgot hermano (brother in Spanish)

[bokiz333]

Anyway, how the hell do you expect me to be coherent at 4:45 am. lol

I'm going to bed. Have a great day. lol

WTF ARE YOU DOING UP?!?! Get to bed this instant young man. (well the young is subjective ) I don't want to hear any backtalk!

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So no Cenatur to argue against and now you are picking on bokiz?? shame, shame shame...

Bokiz you forgot hermano (brother in Spanish)

Did Centaur leave the forum? He's still a mod here right? (I know he stoped playing though)

[mayito7777]

Have no heard a peep from since Vayne went all centaur on him!!!!

[Vayne]

Centaur has said what he wanted to say about the game. All he was doing was arguing, mostly with me. He feels I'm not reading or understanding what he's saying, so he stopped posting in frustration. I don't blame him at all. He doesn't understand how I can not be incensed at changes Anet has made to the game. I understand why he is. To him I'm defending a company that has betrayed its core principles. What I'm seeing is a company with a new game, trying different things to see what happens. It's pretty much unchartered territory for Anet. I'm giving them a chance.

I don't like all the changes they've made (though I do like some of them). They still have a ton of work to do on things. Some of the things they've fixed aren't even in the patch notes, like the ranger opening strike bug. They fixed it, but managed to tell no one. Silly if you ask me.

They even fixed the bug with the first part of the ranger sword auto-attack.

At any rate, I'm a wait and see kind of guy, so I'm waiting and seeing. I don't think the game is less fun for me now than it was two months ago, though.

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[Fey]

PSO2 does drops right. Everyone gets exp/drops just like in GW2. Almost every mob type (bosses included) have set rare items that they can drop. And I mean some of them are like less than 1%, it doesn't sound like a lot, but when there are more people around more enemies spawn in each map. We're talking like 30+ enemies at times. And then more that spawn in as they die. So when they drop it's extremely satisfying. And you don't feel punished if they don't drop because everything can drop them.

Over the past 2 days I've gotten like 9 rares just from trying to level up.