ArenaNet: Linsey Murdock unveils High End Ascended Gear (2012-11-13)

[bokiz333]

Edit: Nice Idea on the exotic karmas to forge to resell, hadn't thought of that myself bokiz. I did plan on picking and chosing the power/tough/vit gear out of the temples for my guardian and warrior, but yeah I have over 500k karma on my thief that is pretty much uselss since I have no interest in legendary myself.

As long as you're ok with the random aspect of the forge. With 500k you should be able to get 12 pieces of armor...or 3 items from the forge. They could be worth only 2 g a piece or 15. I got lucky on one and sold it for 12g and the other two sold for 2-3 g a pop. Still better than all that karma sitting there being worth 0 g.

[Sericenthe]

You know about the mystic forge and skill points and mystic weapons and legendaries and upgrading siege and mats and stuff? Experience is needed for skill points. Skill points are needed for lots of good stuff. Ex is not worthless.

Drops not happening are one thing, and a legitemate gripe, but xp is definitely a good thing.

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I was not aware of the requirement of EXP for skill points. Am I still receiving a skill point every time I level after 80? If I am then I stand corrected.

[Vayne]

I was not aware of the requirement of EXP for skill points. Am I still receiving a skill point every time I level after 80? If I am then I stand corrected.

Yes, you continue to gain experience and skill points after level 80. This allows you to "farm" skill points doing whatever you like in the game, except SPvP. But you can gain experience doing events, dungeons, WvW, or just grinding mobs.

[Zorac]

I was not aware of the requirement of EXP for skill points. Am I still receiving a skill point every time I level after 80? If I am then I stand corrected.

Yes everytime you lvl you get another skill point. You can use these for mystic forge ingredients to make better siege, replacements fore recipes and legendary mats.

[Sericenthe]

Yeah, my Mystic Staff came from one of the recipes. I didn't realize I was still getting skill points. Good, exp does have some use then.

Still not thrilled with the drops, but it is what it is. I'm just storing stuff away waiting for when I have accumulated enough to do something.

[skyliner]

The bottom line for me is that this ENTIRE conversation is pointless and has been since the beginning. You don't like the game, leave and play another game. You want to believe you were lied to, be lied to.

You don't understand the implications. He feels betrayed and hurt by Anet. He is emotionally invested in the game. He has dedicated time, effort and money into it. It is not simple to discard the things we have become attached to. This is why he speaks up and protests these changes, because he likes the game so much. He is simply defending his game by publicly denouncing, what in his eyes, threatens it. There is no rationality or point to it all, other than to find solace and comfort in the empathy of other players who may also agree with him. There's also the secret hope that if many people speak up Anet would be obliged to listen.

With your replies you are denying him that solace. You are telling him that he has no right to feel betrayed or hurt, that Anet was right in their changes to the game, and that there was no lie or transgression of their original vision of the game.

The truth of the matter is that it is irrelevant whether Anet lied or not. It doesn't change the fact that the game is altered, that certain gameplay elements he liked about it are gone and that he hates Anet for it. For jeopardizing and possibly destroying his game. It certainly helps him hate them more though.

So I guess the question is, why do you want to take that away from him. Why do you need so badly to defend Anet, with such enthusiasm and conviction. Do you feel your game is threatened too, and want to protect it by clinging to the idea that there is no danger, that Anet is OK, that they're still a good company ?

[Vayne]

You don't understand the implications. He feels betrayed and hurt by Anet. He is emotionally invested in the game. He has dedicated time, effort and money into it. It is not simple to discard the things we have become attached to. This is why he speaks up and protests these changes, because he likes the game so much. He is simply defending his game by publicly denouncing, what in his eyes, threatens it. There is no rationality or point to it all, other than to find solace and comfort in the empathy of other players who may also agree with him. There's also the secret hope that if many people speak up Anet would be obliged to listen.

With your replies you are denying him that solace. You are telling him that he has no right to feel betrayed or hurt, that Anet was right in their changes to the game, and that there was no lie or transgression of their original vision of the game.

The truth of the matter is that it is irrelevant whether Anet lied or not. It doesn't change the fact that the game is altered, that certain gameplay elements he liked about it are gone and that he hates Anet for it. For jeopardizing and possibly destroying his game. It certainly helps him hate them more though.

So I guess the question is, why do you want to take that away from him. Why do you need so badly to defend Anet, with such enthusiasm and conviction. Do you feel your game is threatened too, and want to protect it by clinging to the idea that there is no danger, that Anet is OK, that they're still a good company ?

I can answer this question very simply.

It doesn't take truth to ruin a game, whether the company is good or not. Sometimes, it just takes perception. I've watched very good things get killed by hyperbole, to the point where I won't sit by and listen to or watch hyperbole. If I don't feel a company deserves to be called a liar, I'll defend the company.

In the case of Centaur, who is a rock and listened to on these forums, respected by a lot of people, his weight actually carries more weight than others. So his hyperbole is in fact, more damaging. And you know, I'd defend anyone against hyperbole, even if I didn't like them, because I've seen the damage words can do. Choice of words is very important to me. Probably because I have both written and edited professionally.

If someone comes here to say they were lied to, and that in fact didn't happen, then an image that's not true is being painted, and I'm not okay with that. Why should I be?

Sure he's vested in the game and sure he feels lied to. How, exactly does that change anything? This is too complex a situation to paint so simply.

If he's wrong about what would be best for the game, and Anet kowtows to those who think they know better, then the game could in fact be ruined, ruining my enjoyment. This wouldn't be the first time it happened.

If he's right about what Anet is doing, that will become clear over time. I don't see it as clear now and I'm willing to wait. Why should I let one side of a story be told and not tell the other side? Because someone wants to vent and they'll feel better for it? What about the feelings of people who like this game and stopped coming to this forum because of the negativity? Oh, I see, people with complaints, their feelings count and people who like the game their feelings don't, I get it.

Everyone has a point of view and everyone has a right to express it. If the words being used to express that point of view offend me, then I have a right to express that as well.

Frankly, there is so much negativity on game forums, I'm not surprised that people having fun with the game walk away from them. But I'm not sure that leaves a better forum in its wake.

[Centaur]

Okay, I'll step in one last time to make my final say on this, as my name keeps coming up.

Vayne, you call my statements hyperbole and you feel that I am exaggerating the situation, but the way you do this, and with your current choice of words (see several of your previous posts), you actually belittle the situation, more or less ridicule those who have a problem with it, and you make it sound as if it's just those people misinterpreting a few quotes and pulling them out of context, and that ArenaNet themselves has basically done everything right. Which is just as wrong, imho. If you do this to 'protect the innocent' (ie. for the uninformed forum visitors), then you should also be willing to accept negative feedback. People having too high an opinion of the game can be just as damaging (of not more so) than people having a too low opinion of the game.

And that's all I am going to say about this.

[Vayne]

Okay, I'll step in one last time to make my final say on this, as my name keeps coming up.

Vayne, you call my statements hyperbole and you feel that I am exaggerating the situation, but the way you do this, and with your current choice of words (see several of your previous posts), you actually belittle the situation, more or less ridicule those who have a problem with it, and you make it sound as if it's just those people misinterpreting a few quotes and pulling them out of context, and that ArenaNet themselves has basically done everything right. Which is just as wrong, imho. If you do this to 'protect the innocent' (ie. for the uninformed forum visitors), then you should also be willing to accept negative feedback. People having too high an opinion of the game can be just as damaging (of not more so) than people having a too low opinion of the game.

And that's all I am going to say about this.

I have said, time and again that I understand why you feel this way. Not once, not twice, but a dozen times. And I DO understand. I disagree that you were lied to. Lie implies intent. If Anet said something and meant to do it when they said it and later changed their mind, it's NOT a lie. This is the English language. The way you phrase things makes it sound more sinister than it is. That to me is hyperbole. There's no other way to say it.

The big bad Anet knew all along they were going to do this, and they decided to say something else, just to get everyone's money so they can change the game. I don't see it like this, I don't believe it happened like this, and I think its' the wrong choice of words.

I said, again and again, I see the reason for your concern. And I'll watch and see what happens. That's it. That's not even saying you're wrong, just that your choice of words is something I can't get behind.

I'm sorry you see this as belittling your point of view, but if you MUST say lie then I must disagree.

I also disagree with the statement that gear progression automatically equals gear grind. I've been in games with gear grind. I don't see this as the same thing at all.

It's probably gear grind relative to Guild Wars 1, but not gear grind relative to WoW or Rift or games of that ilk. That's possible.

But just because I don't agree with your defintions and terms, doesn't mean that you're not entitled to your opinion. Saying Anet changed what they've said, however, or said one thing and ended up doing something else is quite different from saying they lied.

I don't believe they lied. I believe that at the time things were said, they had every intention of doing it that way, until they found out it wasn't working. That's not a lie. It's certain a change of direction however.

[mayito7777]

I have said, time and again that I understand why you feel this way. Not once, not twice, but a dozen times. And I DO understand. I disagree that you were lied to. Lie implies intent. If Anet said something and meant to do it when they said it and later changed their mind, it's NOT a lie. This is the English language. The way you phrase things makes it sound more sinister than it is. That to me is hyperbole. There's no other way to say it.

The big bad Anet knew all along they were going to do this, and they decided to say something else, just to get everyone's money so they can change the game. I don't see it like this, I don't believe it happened like this, and I think its' the wrong choice of words.

I said, again and again, I see the reason for your concern. And I'll watch and see what happens. That's it. That's not even saying you're wrong, just that your choice of words is something I can't get behind.

I'm sorry you see this as belittling your point of view, but if you MUST say lie then I must disagree.

I also disagree with the statement that gear progression automatically equals gear grind. I've been in games with gear grind. I don't see this as the same thing at all.

It's probably gear grind relative to Guild Wars 1, but not gear grind relative to WoW or Rift or games of that ilk. That's possible.

But just because I don't agree with your defintions and terms, doesn't mean that you're not entitled to your opinion. Saying Anet changed what they've said, however, or said one thing and ended up doing something else is quite different from saying they lied.

I don't believe they lied. I believe that at the time things were said, they had every intention of doing it that way, until they found out it wasn't working. That's not a lie. It's certain a change of direction however.

SAY WHAT!!! NO gear grind? Dude I need freaking 250 ectos to craft 1 weapon, do you know how much freaking grind is involve to get 250 ectos??? I am a jeweler 400, every single jewelry recipe exotic requires 1 to 3 ectos where the heck can I get ectos except grinding. C'mon Mr V dont keep defending what cannot be defended.

The DR BS that ANET pulled over us is making near impossible to get anything worth crap to trade or to convert. Until when you are going to remain with your eyes closed? Sheeesssshhhh