You all should be happy, if there weren't things to argue over this forum would be pretty dead. How often would you visit if the only discussion on here was,” I say, what a smashing good game we are playing.” And the only responses were,” hmm, yes I agree.”
But there is a right way and a wrong way to disagree over something.
When you have the largest percentage of the posts negative, particularly if your'e still enjoying a game, the desire to participate in the conversation gets less and less. I mean I must be a masochist to hang around here.Originally Posted by Jim Hunter
I'm playing a game I enjoy and 2/3s of the posters here, maybe more (or maybe just the most active) are trying to poke holes in the game. And I know it's not a perfect game, it's just the best game of it's type for me...and maybe other players like me.
The point is, if you are enjoying the game, why even bother coming here to argue. Aren't you better off just hanging out on your guild forum where everyone is actually enjoying and playing the game?
I do enjoy the game, and when I'm home I play it. The time I spend here is mostly while I'm at work or when I don't have enough time to log in.
I don't talk that much about what I like about the game, because what I like works fine. I'd rather complain about what bothers me.
I'm not in nor am I interested in being in a guild large enough to have a forum.
i think we need to realise the gear treadmill for GW2 is not going to be like WoWs. With WoW new expansions come out with new tier of gear rendering the old set you ground for worthless. There was little point introducing Legendaries on launch. I fully expect new types of gear to be released in the future, the fact the fractual gear is introduced as an update rather than expansion shows it was always in the planning and i see the logic to it. New top tier gear will not render your old gear worthless, it will have a different purpose, and that is a whole lot different to how most MMOs systems work. We will, in the long run, have multiple sets of armour for different areas of the game to go with different build setups. Its not deserting us GW1 players, its evolving the old system. We no longer have full control over our builds with cross class combos, but we do have variation through equipped weapons and the type of gear we're wearing. A casual player wants to be able to do everything a hardcore player can, and you can, but its gonna take you a lot longer to get there than someone playing 10+ hours a day, either give up your life or get over it and just carry on as you are, it really isn't gonna effect you half as much as these tin foil hats would have you think. And if your playing a few hours a time a few times a week and expecting the same as a genuine hardcore player then your an out of touch spoilt brat as you have for more to do and aim for than that hardcore player or speed players who do everything with their eyes shut and achieve lots and experience little!
The released GW2 was not the complete product, i know they said it'll be released when its ready, but WE badgered them to release it NOW, it was the right time for the market (if not earlier) and the staggered introduction of some of the content is genius imo and the true size of GW2 is turning epic with more to come
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Not really
PvE skills in Gw1 were a pure violation of the anti-gear-treadmill philosophy.It was just disguised.Same math and motivation.Titles also added.
Not having a go at what your saying, I fully agree.Thing is this was apparent to the minority that cared when EotN came out.Years before what you are stating and other companies becoming involved, the shift and direction was already instigated by Anet.
I expected no other direction in this game.What do you think keeps players playing....in a non-subscription model and era when people get to 80 in 3 days and moan...like we all saw here.So they will keep playing for fun?
Wake up.
The mantra is old hat and was shattered and run over by a dump trunk 30 times 3-4 years ago.Guild Wars® is an online roleplaying game that rewards player skill and innovative gameplay over hours spent online.
This latest financial shift may have exacerbated this but the fact so many are so surprised humors me.I sympathize but given the history....your expectations are at fault imho.It has little to do with the business model outside catering to the majority and again, keeping the donkey chasing the carrot in a non-subscription model.
Maybe I'm wrong but to me me gaming walks hand in hand with the evolution of both technology and business.It's now like music, maybe you dug that band before it got popular and record labels came along and totally ruined what you initially liked about that band.It sucks but that is how commercialism works.It has no time for your subjective whims and complaints...it has to make $$$$.End of story.
Thing is we are punk rock gamers in what is becoming a Britney Spears gaming world.
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Firstly I re-read that and hope you get Mayo that was directed at the author of the article you posted, not you, not that you care you tosser :P
Secondly:
This is the dogma of ANY AND ALL gaming forums.Take note...it's the truth.
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"If your having adventurer problems I feel bad for you son, I dodged 99 arrows till my knee took one"
Probably the best thing i have read in a really long time.
Currently looking for member for PvE, sPvP and WvW on Stormbluff Isle
Okay but there are many valued members of this community who used to post, and are enjoying the game, who no longer post. What that gives is a very negative view of a damn good game. It's like reading the newspapers. All you see is the bad stuff and an occasional human interest story.
The problem is, anyone who isn't playing the game and comes to a forum like this won't really get an idea of how good the game is from what's post here. It looks all negative, and that's a problem. It's one of the reasons I do stay. To provide the other side.
That said, the less people that support me while doing this, the more I look like the fan boi who sees no wrong. I see plenty of wrong. I simply refuse to watch the game not get a fair outing on a forum I moderate. And that's really my issue. If more people were hear to defend the game (instead of playing it), I'd be posting a lot less.
Isn't it always those who either totally love something or strongly disagree with it that would bother to post on a forum? I mean, most people who are just feeling mildly about something wouldn't come to a forum and say,"meh, it's ok, I guess." It's almost entirely strong dis-/agreement that's shown on these kinds of forums.
As to the motives of people posting or abstaining from the forums, we can only guess. Of course, your view that those who liked to come here and had a positive feeling about the game are scared away by naysayers like myself or others could be true. But there are also other alternatives. During the hype of the game in the last months of beta this forum was really a vibrant hub for discussion about the game. Now that they have opened the official forums you just have a bigger audience if you post there. Therefore it's likely wiser to post there, if you want to maximise your answers when you have a question about a build or a dungeon tactic or whatever.
Everything this forum still has to offer is the comfy feeling of discussing issues with people you came to know a bit over the recent months. And of course the normally more mature style of discourse. Although I must say that the ANet forums are relatively civil for an MMO-forum (probably has to do with GW2 players generally being more mature?)
I also feel sorry for you that you feel "forced" to come here to defend your game. I'm also with one of the above posters who think that if there was only a onesided "discussion" it would be a boring thing. But I agree with you that this game is a really good one in many aspects. The more active combat is a very nice thing and also the DEs are a very inclusive design.
But it is also a bad one in a lot of other aspects. i.e.: Bug fixing sadly going horribly slow; I've yet to finish the balthazar event in Orr due to the escort quest being buggy at various points; And on top of that I also don't like the recent changes. I am a very casual gamer. I play only a few hours a week. But that doesn't mean that I don't care about gear. I haven't even been able to get full exotic yet and now they have already added a new tier that lets me fall behind even more. And I also don't like that the game went from super inclusive to super exclusive in one patch. They admitted that they did a few things wrong with the implementation, but still, that doesn't undo it. That this lead to me not feeling the urge to log in anymore and give up on "endgame" altogether is of course a subjective feeling. But these are things I like to discuss here.
As I said, there are many people in my guild who used to post here regularly. There are three of us left, out of dozens. Why? Because they're enjoying the game. They spend their time in the game. They don't want to come here to defend the game, particularly because a lot of what's said is just silliness.
I could allude to threads that Anet discrimated against older people because they include jumping puzzles, or just a thread that someone claims that the game is a complete waste of money.
Even the bug fixing going slow thing, that you bring up in this post is really untrue. Do you realize how many reported bugs have actually been fixed? Are you focusing on a couple of specific bugs they haven't fixed yet.
When the game game out, I had personal stories bugged on three characters and every single one of the personal story bugs have been fixed. In fact, of the bugs I've reported, and there've been more than a few, well over 90% of them have been fixed.
There are still some bugs that haven't been fixed, but that's also true of WoW and Guild Wars 1. There are bugs in games that never get fixed.
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Those who post problems have the strongest feelings, and they dominate the discussion. What am I getting out of that, exactly? I"m the guy who has to stand back and tell everyone to be patient and just wait and see. Or add a bit of perspective to conversations.
Which leaves me looking like a fan boi who can't be objective. Well I can be objective. If this forum was full of nothing but praise, I'd probably have to take the other route and point out the deficiencies. Playing devil's advocate is sort of how I'm wired.
In general, I've defended people who have said bad things about the game, before the launch when everyone was jumping on them. Now I defend the other half.
At least I live in interesting times. lol
Hmmm, I think its the silent ones who have the majority vote. I come on here to read anything new now and again and to input if I agree of disagree. Not always, only if I feel strongly enough about it. I think there are a lot more people just playing the game and enjoying it and a minority complaining about it. That has always been the case in life.
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