Gw2 is going to die?

[sclowe1995]

From reading up on what the testers are saying ZeniMax has done so far on ESO, I truly do think this will be the revolutionary mmo. And yes I know, RPG's are different than mmorpg's, but Bethesda managed to change rpg's with the elder scrolls series. ESO has gotten a lot of hate, mostly from elder scrolls fans. I was even like, that game is going to ruin everything and make the elder scrolls looks so lame. But it's looking like they actually made an elder scrolls game, and made it multiplayer, and that to me, is just so badass. Like even the mechanics of walking around and being able to steal things and pick up bodies, and how I said earlier that we only have a stamina, majicka, and health bar. NO cool downs. What mmo has done that, none. Gw2 improved a lot of things and I had a lot of fun leveling up to 80. But it's possible that the developers aren't going to build on it properly. They are still trying to keep us entertained with this new update, and it's kind of like they are having a lot of trouble balancing fixing problems in the game, and keeping gem sales up. They better hurry up, I'm still having bugs in dungeons, bugs in a lot of places. I am excited to see this new update for dungeons and tournaments, hopefully it will be worthwhile. If it turns out to just be more bull shit, like the mystic forge or whatever the hell the next gimmick it will be. I don't think I will be playing for a while.

[Fey]

Agreed 100%, it is better to pay a monthly fee than this crap we got now.

Unless your name is Blizzard and your game is World of Warcraft, the monthly fee route will not work in the Western market. It will work to some degree in the Eastern market, but not here.

[sclowe1995]

How would a monthly fee not work. Haven't you ever heard of bills? People pay them monthly. And 15 dollars a month, is really not that much. How could you even afford a decent PC if you cant afford 15 dollars a month.

[Fey]

How would a monthly fee not work. Haven't you ever heard of bills? People pay them monthly. And 15 dollars a month, is really not that much. How could you even afford a decent PC if you cant afford 15 dollars a month.

Because people will always be people. I agree that $15 isn't that much. It does obviously add up over time. But for some reason, lots of people find it to be unacceptable. Yet they'll pay for an expensive phone with a data plan for well over triple that price a month.

It's not that it isn't possible. But at this moment in time, if you're not WoW and you're demanding a monthly fee you're probably going to lose more money than you make. With the exception of Rift, which is doing okay for itself with it's new shiny expansion.

[Unseenbymosteyes]

How would a monthly fee not work. Haven't you ever heard of bills? People pay them monthly. And 15 dollars a month, is really not that much. How could you even afford a decent PC if you cant afford 15 dollars a month.

It's not people can't afford it, it's people don't want to pay it.... And have you ever heard of Christmas/birthdays/inheritance? That's some people buy expensive stuff, doesn't mean they have it available all the time to spend on a game.

Subs are becoming a thing of the past, most new games are doing the free to play model.

I can't wait for ESO to come out so all the bugs can slap you and wake you up.
No game is perfect, especially not in the first year of play and ESO will be no different.

Guild wars will die out, like you said, they've taken new stuff and added/improved on it, other mmos will so the same to gw2 in the future.

The best thing about gw2 for me is the combat, it kicks WoW in the arse. I can't play WoW because the combat is so boring. When all the WoW people come on here and hate on the game and say its rubbish no one seems to bring up how much better the combat is for some reason.

[Versoffen]

$13/mo isn't too much. A lot of us can afford it. The question is, why the hell would we if those games aren't that good in the first place? I've slogged through so much mediocre content in WoW to get to the good stuff that it really isn't worth that fee. Unless you really like the gameplay of a game, it's just not worth your time or money, whether it's affordable or not.

WoW is like wiping your ass with $1s. Most of us could afford it if we wanted to, but we don't want to. Instead we buy toilet paper (gw2).

[Vayne]

I'd gladly pay $15 a month for an MMO I enjoyed playing. It's cheap enough for entertainment. It's a lot cheaper than paying for cable tv for example. But here's the problem.

The very act of charging $15 a month, means that you want to keep people playing more/longer. So you have to introduce required grind, or something that will addict players, because you come to depend on that income. That's the problem. Those are the very things I can do without in a game.

I'd pay $15 a month for a game I enjoyed that I played daily. It's cheaper than constantly buying new games. But I have to ENJOY playing the game before considering spending the money. I have yet to enjoy, for any length of time, any subscription MMO.

[sclowe1995]

I've actually met a lot of people on Guild Wars 2 that WOULD rather have a sub fee. See, this argument we are having needs to be seen from both sides. A lot of you guys on here, Like Vayne, have been playing this game since BETA. Basically, you guys didn't need to spend money on gems because everything was cheaper back then. Such as the Precursors. You need gold for almost everything in this game, like traveling and upgrading gear. Why is it, that crafting is more expensive. Even if I did collect all the materials by myself and not off of the trading post, it would still be a better decision to sell all the materials and just buy what I need from the trading post. This is great for Arena Net, they know that either you are going to have to grind like crazy to get that next armor set, or with just a click of a button, you can legally buy gems to convert in to gold to get your next armor set in no time. But you guys don't have to worry about that. You already have collected a lot of the valuable items in the game, and it has just gained even more value over time. Now, for the new player, they come in and start trying to figure out how to get gold. First, they might think crafting is a good way. I made this mistake. I ended up purchasing gems to craft because the mat prices were so high. I could have grinded for all the gold to get those mats but at my level it would have taken forever. I saw an easy opportunity. Turns out, you cant make gold off of crafting. Crafting is pointless, and it's only good for leveling your character up. Then I heard about this mystic forge. I was like, hey, I can just throw in some items, and then get better items and make gold. Wait, I don't have enough gold, well I guess buying some more gems won't hurt. Remember, everything has gone up in price and farming spots have been nerfed, so it's really hard to make enough gold in the mystic forge without having enough gold already. Turns out that was a waste of money. Meanwhile, I'm still looking at crafting legendary, and the prices of precursor weapons keep on rising. It would be impossible to have enough gold to keep up with the rising prices. But all the early players got them for cheap back then. And the only way to get one, would to be gambling in the mystic forge, or RNG. Which I know is near impossible.

Now lets look at WoW, most people would agree that it is a lot easier to make gold in the game. Yeah sure, the gameplay is not as fun, but at least the average player is able to afford what they need.

Sub fee > Pay to gamble and possibly win

[Vayne]

Except that this whole argument falls apart, because some people, like me, are patient. I don't need or even want everything today. I have never, once, sold a gem in this game. Not once. I've bought gems to support the company because I like the product, but I never felt I had to, or that the game was better because I did.

It helps that many of the things you can buy in the shop do drop, if rarely, in game. It also helps that sometimes when you get a daily or zone completion, you get items that are normally only available in the shop.

But the bottom line is there's TONS of stuff to harvest for free, which I use for crafting to level. And I've never had problems making gold in this game, just by playing. I don't consider it grinding, because I'm only doing what I want to do, and you know, the gold comes.

The people who want everything now are the people who sell gems. I'm not one of them. I'm quite happy to just enjoy the game. After all, what am I really getting. I don't NEED a legendary weapon to play this game. I'll eventually have one, when I get one. I was lucky enough to get a precusor drop though in the Karka event, so that makes the job a whole lot easier.

At any rate, this whole you have to spend money to play this game is simply not true. It's a choice, nothing more and tons of people don't do it. As for grinding, that's a state of mind. In other games, not having certain gear locks you out of doing specific content. That's not true in Guild Wars 2, with the possible exception of the fractals. However since agony doesn't kick in till level 10 in the fractals, you'd be doing the fractals anyway, so it's self contained.

[sclowe1995]

Well then just leave legendary out of the picture, you still need gold to buy gear that is strong enough to take you to certain zones, and gear that is good enough for wvw. Dungeons too. And exotic gear cost a lot of gold compared to the next tier below. Once I finally had my exotic gear, I was doing much better in dungeons, orr, and wvw. But still, there are a lot of people that do want a legendary. You don't need it, but you want it. And you have to have a lot of gold to do it. I don't think the precursor issue will be fixed for another 5 or 6 months either. But even after that, you still have to a lot of gold to craft a legendary. Which takes forever to grind for now. I don't even really care about it anymore though, I learned that if it happens that eventually I have that much gold then great. I am just gonna keep doing fractals with my guild, and wvw too.