Guild Wars 2 = Success.

[planetredstar]

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woot woot

[dchsknight]

Ok, I understand and agree with you. Mindless hate on a game, any game, is just silly and there is always the implications that "only idiots would play that game" in such blind hate posts. That is what I don't like. I don't care if someone hates a game for the game itself, but there is always this connected attack on the gamers that play that game, you know? And that's poison for a community, both ways going out and coming in. Gamers should unite, no matter what game we play. We're such a tiny group in our societies and only now are we beginning to come out as a group and represent ourselves. SC2 is a good example of that. Here in Germany politicians still think they can win votes by saying "CS has to be banned, because it produces mass murderers"...

Gamers unite! We're all just having fun on the computer, is all. Each to his own.

Tolerance is a funny thing. You call us to be tolerant, but you are not tolerant of those who wish to compare...That is a little hypocritical...

[Lagger]

Tolerance is a funny thing. You call us to be tolerant, but you are not tolerant of those who wish to compare...

If you make a thread "Comparison GW2 vs. WoW", I'll be the last one to tell you to stop doing it, although I'll still say it's silly to compare those games if you don't know what you're talking about. And unlike many of the WoW comparisons, I'm actually substantiating why I don't like these comparisons. Just like you're generalizing what I'm doing, people generalize what WoW is about and half the time they have no clue about it. And that's just plainly pointless.

I'm not exactly asking you to be tolerant, I'm telling you to do a bit more work than just saying "WoW stinks, because gear grind, treadmill <insert other trendy hate phrase of choice>" or "GW2 is better than WoW because it's a gift from heaven".

Sadly, most of these "comparisons" are more like venting or worship. And neither is useful.

[Tuktz]

I can't speak for the world in general, or the gaming public in general, but for me PERSONALLY this game is such a breath of fresh air in a stale feeling genre.

It's hard in this genre to step outside the box of what the industry has decided is the best way to do things.

Like many others have said, after playing this game from beta events through today, I can't imagine going back to another other mmo currently out there.

I haven't had this much fun in an mmo in nearly 10 years! (not since daoc rvr)

[dchsknight]

If you make a thread "Comparison GW2 vs. WoW", I'll be the last one to tell you to stop doing it, although I'll still say it's silly to compare those games if you don't know what you're talking about. And unlike many of the WoW comparisons, I'm actually substantiating why I don't like these comparisons. Just like you're generalizing what I'm doing, people generalize what WoW is about and half the time they have no clue about it. And that's just plainly pointless.

I'm not exactly asking you to be tolerant, I'm telling you to do a bit more work than just saying "WoW stinks, because gear grind, treadmill <insert other trendy hate phrase of choice>" or "GW2 is better than WoW because it's a gift from heaven".

Sadly, most of these "comparisons" are more like venting or worship. And neither is useful.

Generalizations seem to be what you are all about. None of my compressions are without informed knowledge. So you are generally lumping me in with those that worship or vent... It is still intolerant tolerance.

" it's silly to compare those games if you don't know what you're talking about." now that saying that I dont know what i am talking about? That is not true. Where is the evidence for that?


Comparison...

GW2 was a success in launching because it had very little issues. Some of the issues will be resolved but over all the game came out with little hitch.

Diablo 3 half the gaming community could not get on the game... and some still cant..

Swotor had major game breaking bugs... Ability lag to name one...

WoW had major server stability issues. there were many a time when Blizzard had to hand out free time because their servers crashed...

Guild wars 2 was a surprising event for launch. Things worked. It is not a gift from heaven because it still has some issues to work out but overall success.

Those are fair comparisons that are not insulting or worshiping said games or guild wars.

[Kichwas]

I doubt most of us are GW2 fanboys, we just like the game, and if you bring us a valid reason why it isn't I will respect that.

If you want to find out if someone is a fanboy, ask their opinion of Logan Thackery.

If they have one, love or hate; they are a fanboy - and the degree is evidenced by the response.
If they don't really know who he is, or don't have a stance on what he did - they're just fans or critics of the game.

This is basically the divide between "really like this game" and "into this thing just a tad more than is really proper..."

Like comparing someone who really love watching a sport to the one who screams at people in a bar over a player being traded to another team. Or someone who watches Star Trek, versus someone who speaks Klingon... If you've ever argued which Doctor is better, on reasons other than acting skill - that's a fanboy (and if you don't know why Doctor is capitalized, you are clearly not).

I despise Logan Thackery with a passion. So... you can take what I say about all of this with whatever quantity of salt you desire.

So when I say this game is /win, maybe my opinion is colored.

But one can also say... if something can generate that level of passion; then its clearly succeeded on some level.

[dchsknight]

If you want to find out if someone is a fanboy, ask their opinion of Logan Thackery.

If they have one, love or hate; they are a fanboy - and the degree is evidenced by the response.
If they don't really know who he is, or don't have a stance on what he did - they're just fans or critics of the game.

This is basically the divide between "really like this game" and "into this thing just a tad more than is really proper..."

Like comparing someone who really love watching a sport to the one who screams at people in a bar over a player being traded to another team. Or someone who watches Star Trek, versus someone who speaks Klingon... If you've ever argued which Doctor is better, on reasons other than acting skill - that's a fanboy (and if you don't know why Doctor is capitalized, you are clearly not).

I despise Logan Thackery with a passion. So... you can take what I say about all of this with whatever quantity of salt you desire.

So when I say this game is /win, maybe my opinion is colored.

But one can also say... if something can generate that level of passion; then its clearly succeeded on some level.

I had to look up who that was... I play norn and charr... And have alt-itis so i have had like 3 toons to level 10 and then restarted. I am about to do it again tonight... oTL

[Kichwas]

Yep, I too liked FFXI (still have fond memories) and lotro and played both for far longer than a month. FFXI for its time was great despite the now very dated graphics.

From what I've read about it, FFXI keeps your attention for more than a month because they don't have any way to unsubscribe. They keep your attention Soviet style: In FFXI, the game plays you. :P

[Serbitar]

Thanks for the English lesson, but since I'm the one who said it, I think I know what I meant to say. So thanks but - I could care less.

No. Reading your context ("I don't mind if it is a WoW killer or not") it is clear you meant COULD NOT care less. "I do care that it's not a WoW killer, but I could care less" - is simply not what the meaning of your paragraph meant. So stop trying to cover over it with this "I know what I meant to say BS".

What you might mean with your objection is that you meant "I could care less" in the same sense as it is used by thousands of your countrymen ie. the meaning is "I don't care at all about that".

IF YOU DON'T CARE AT ALL, THEN IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO CARE LESS.

How hard is this to understand?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...%20care%20less

This is an old debate and ultimately we all create our own English (the clue is in the name of the language though, chums) - but I find it bizarre how tenaciously English language users from the US cling to this illogical and downright ridiculous corruption of a perfectly sensible phrase. I could care less is ambiguously ugly and makes no sense. I couldn't care less is a typical understated put down with a sense of finality.

[Vayne]

You do realize that this conversation took place in August and that stopping to necro it to point that out isn't likely to do much good. Thought you should know. lol